We are so glad to have you!  Since you have put so much careful time into deconstructing MA’s “Fun with the Wackos” post, we’re going to respond to you properly, here on the main page. It seems such a waste to bury your comments at the bottom of an old post. You’ve really given us a lot to chew on, and our work is definitely cut out for us! We’re game.

Just to be clear, we don’t argue with AAs, especially not in an attempt to change their minds about AA. It’s pointless to argue people out of their faith. However, we do feel duty-bound to offer up the facts for those who are questioning AA, in the process of deprogramming, and for people who are exploring alternative addiction recovery programs.

So, I’m going to start at the beginning, with your first comment:

What’s up, MA?

Glad we could be of service to you.

If you haven’t noticed, I am pro-AA. I do think there’s a difference between actually working the steps and just paying lip service to it. I can’t describe in words why that is other than… I’ve just seen the results in it and it’s helped people get back on their feet and get lives again. Some people are too lazy and are socialized in AA.

What’s so hard to believe about that? Oh, and tell me how AA works in affiliation with the courts? Does AA demand the judge to send potential alkies to AA or does AA put the finger on them to do so?

And, since you address the court connection again in a more recent comment, I’ll just add that in as well:

AA doesn’t have much to do with the sentencing of drunk drivers. In fact, they have absolutely nothing to do with it. The harder somebody tries to control the drunk, the worse they seem to fail.

Now, you kick off your fillibuster with a strawman “Oh, and tell me how AA works in affiliation with the courts? Does AA demand the judge to send potential alkies to AA or does AA put the finger on them to do so?” Do you know what a strawman is? It’s when you pretend someone said something they didn’t say, and then argue your point based on that pretend premise. This is a perfect example: we say “AA has an affiliation with the court system” and you turn that into a “AA demands the judge…”

If you’re trying to set the record straight about AA, then kicking off your argument with such intellectual dishonesty is no way to do that. Plus, it simply underscores our position that AA members employ gaslighting tactics, which may work very well for you in the rooms, but not so well among the reality-based population.

And yes, AA does actively pursue an affiliation with the court system. It’s called 12-Stepping, and you can read about it here, from the A.A. Guidelines: Cooperating with Court, D.W.I and Similar Programs, published by the G.S.O.

WHEN AND WHY A.A. BEGAN COOPERATING WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES
In 1942, members from San Francisco brought the first A.A. meeting into San Quentin Prison at the request of Warden Clinton T. Duffy. This example led to A.A.’s cooperation with court systems, including direct communication with judges and parole and probation officials. The sole purpose of this Twelfth Step work, then and now, was to carry A.A.’s message to the still-suffering alcoholic. To fulfill that purpose, A.A.s have learned how to share A.A. information within court systems.

Here’s more:

Many A.A. members are not aware that this kind of Twelfth Step work is available and that they can participate in it.
In some locales, this service is coordinated by the Committee on Cooperation with the Professional Community (C.P.C.). Often ongoing Twelfth Step work within the court system leads to a subcommittee connected to the district or central office/intergroup.

Once again, we welcome you and look forward to addressing your points.

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