“If you are happy with your 12-Step experience, this site is not for you. If you seek to flame, troll, attack or otherwise belittle those critical of the 12-Step movement, this site is not for you.”
So that right there is my invitation to leave, because I’m happy with AA. I’m not content with how every meeting is run, but I have found the “fellowship I crave.”
Now, your authors here, M.A., Speedy, and to some lesser extent, friendthegirl or ftg have had some things to say about AA, the 12-Step program, and alcoholics who may perhaps be applying these methods with great success.
There’s a lot of profanity on your site, so I can tell from the front that the mood and tone is loose. I have no problem with that. I hate meetings where they say, “This is a non-cussing, non smoking meeting.” I always say, “Goddamn it! I left my fucking cigarettes in the bar!” But I’m funny that way. Some are sicker than others. Drink through the think, or however that goes.
But if I’m not mistaken, your authors seem to like to come over to dig into our stuff and present it here.
We would happily comment at your site, but we would be censored. Aslo, we want to respect the rules of the site. It isn’t our place to troll Sober Recovery, just as it isn’t our place to walk into a strip club and tell them how to conduct their business – even though both places bother me. It is, however, on a public forum, so have no problem commenting on what we see there, just you should feel free to comment on our blog over there.
We really don’t mind feedback here, either; and it is next to impossible to offend us. Say what you wish, but some of the more childish things you have written, though admittedly annoying to us, make you look a little ungrounded.
Be be fair, you are right. You guys censor me a lot less than they do over there.
I’m not sure where I fit in. I want to fit in over there, but I can only find about 2, maybe 3 guys who “get me” over there and all I’m trying to do is help them.
We see truth and value in what you’re doing over here, believe it or not.
I’ve had to become very thick skinned over the years and I’m sorry for my immaturity. You just got to realize where I’m coming from.
My loyalties are where they are, and that’s with hard-core underground if-you-will AA and it’s unfortunately very rare. We don’t see the need to get everybody sober, whether they need it, want it, or not.
I’ve seen this thing work really well and I know it’s so rare, you don’t see or hear of it much.
But I’ll try to grow in understanding and effectiveness and to open my mind to your alternative approaches.
And like I’ve said over there; the non-AAers and non-12 Steppers that I’ve butted head with; I had to make this promise; I don’t want to fight you anymore. In fact, I’ll be willing to steer anyone who doesn’t want what I offer your way without regret or hostility.
This video was made by blamethenile — you can find a link to their youtube page in the post. They have many videos up, and this one is their new one.
I just didn’t want there to be any confusion about who made the vid. Since they have closed their website, they are referring viewers here, which is why our blog addy appears at the end of their new videos.
Anyway, if I get you, it seems that you believe that AA has gone off message somehow? I wonder what you’d think about AAWS becoming more involved — not just in the bottom line or corporate identity — but involved in training sponsors, standardizing the program in some way, qualifying people to lead others, weeding out misinformation. Doing so would expose them to liability, perhaps, but that’s what accountability is all about. It might go against tradition, but they have said that they are not bound by the traditions. What are you thoughts?
I don’t know how it would work. It would be nice to keep the current structure and enable the groups and individuals to look at the message they’re carring and align themselves with the basic, simple, original program.
AA doesn’t need to be a popularity contest. If you’re going to go to the trouble to do this thing, you might as well go all the way and just do it right.